tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729125461714417522.post8486362597611219246..comments2022-09-10T06:12:57.108-07:00Comments on Form and Analysis: Beethoven Grosse Fuge AnalysisMary J. Kinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07647087266234955800noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729125461714417522.post-53553490372120884302007-10-31T09:52:00.000-07:002007-10-31T09:52:00.000-07:00Sarah,Well after looking at the proper score your ...Sarah,<BR/><BR/>Well after looking at the proper score your analysis looks good. The entrances and where you have noted the subjects are accurate. There are some places like what Sam said that after looking over the score she allowed me to photocopy I understand her confusion. I look forward going over this in class today. <BR/><BR/>Jonathan SchorrJonathan Schorrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01160901240867819267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729125461714417522.post-82565284710037859342007-10-31T08:49:00.000-07:002007-10-31T08:49:00.000-07:00All I can say is, "Kudos to you!" The analysis is...All I can say is, "Kudos to you!" The analysis is very thorough, and made a lot of sense. I found the detailed list of measure numbers to be very useful, and made my journey through the Grosse Fugue, less gross (no pun intended). As usual, I couldn't find anything I disagree with, however that's subject to change when Dr. King rocks our world with the technical analysis. Nice job!Daniel Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09520127985952523953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729125461714417522.post-91161453467313159212007-10-30T23:14:00.000-07:002007-10-30T23:14:00.000-07:00Sarah you did an awesome job, I am still confused ...Sarah you did an awesome job, I am still confused about a big part of the details of the subjects and answers, so I decided to look at the possibility of a sonata form. To comment on Ben's comment I think the trills are the transition into the recapitulation, which I believe starts at what I have as mm. 414 in my score (but could be 416 if I miss measured). <BR/><BR/>I figure the development probably starts where Sarah thinks that there is a second fugue at 273. If not there I would venture mm. 233..<BR/><BR/>Also I think there is a kind of CODA either at 657 or 663 that Beethoven uses to tie in all of the subjects that he used.SamanthaWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07198561743492943537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729125461714417522.post-90892841449936431652007-10-30T21:51:00.000-07:002007-10-30T21:51:00.000-07:00Now that I've had a decent look at the piece, I'd ...Now that I've had a decent look at the piece, I'd like to comment once more before class tommorrow. <BR/>I agree, Eb Major (Ab in first violin) at Exposition's beginning, pickup to mm.31.<BR/>Main subject I believe is mm.5-10.<BR/>Second theme/motive/subject is mm.26.<BR/>I lean towards Jon's theory, I think this is a triple fugue because I see what could be an entirely new subject starting on page 13 beginning at G. The rhythm of this new motive is dotted quarter tied to a dotted quarter, eighth rest, quarter, eighth rest, a trill on a dotted half note followed by two sixteenths and a quarter. This motive fills the entire page and presents itself on 14 as well. I also see signs of this motive on 21 and 22. There's a large section that has long held out trills as well, not sure what the significance of this is. Hope this is of help to someone, see you guys tomorrow.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05486253144226807988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729125461714417522.post-48784250933684464372007-10-29T23:47:00.000-07:002007-10-29T23:47:00.000-07:00Maybe be more specific with the entrances and whic...Maybe be more specific with the entrances and which voice they come in at. Otherwise, like my previous post, well organized! Is there another episode of triplet notation in m. 147 in the 1st Violin? Is there another main theme in m. 369 right before the trill in viola? Or are my measures just off. I think that there is a second fugue presented at m. 273. I believe it is a sonata fugata too.Shelley Scarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12829191158652262219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729125461714417522.post-8393246488494073572007-10-29T11:17:00.000-07:002007-10-29T11:17:00.000-07:00Just received the piece this morning from John Sch...Just received the piece this morning from John Schorr and haven't gotten a good chance to really look into your analysis Sarah, but I agree with the others, thorough job as always.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05486253144226807988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729125461714417522.post-15553006979357784932007-10-29T10:37:00.000-07:002007-10-29T10:37:00.000-07:00ummmmm, so i got the String quartet no. 13, op 130...ummmmm, so i got the String quartet no. 13, op 130 movement 6 which is supposed to be the Grosse Fugue correct? but i listened to the piece and it is cleaerly not the same piece. However if you found an article on jstor about it, i'm sure it is correct.attyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13094909827829459207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729125461714417522.post-58507524396179898772007-10-29T00:22:00.000-07:002007-10-29T00:22:00.000-07:00Thank you for your organized and well presented an...Thank you for your organized and well presented analysis. You are very clear with your findings. I agree with your analysis and can't say that I disagree with you on any point. Beethoven would be someone to write a sonata fugata. I think it is! Looking forward to talking more about it in class.Shelley Scarrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12829191158652262219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729125461714417522.post-47756246745247084312007-10-28T23:00:00.000-07:002007-10-28T23:00:00.000-07:00Sarah,I do not blame you for seeking help from the...Sarah,<BR/><BR/>I do not blame you for seeking help from the JSTOR. What you have written is accurate (as usual my bar numbers are off from yours) <BR/><BR/>I went through and looked at where you found the main themes - they all looked accurate. I think just in your writing you could be maybe a little more specific to which voices the answer comes in as when you stated where the main theme was. But that is no big deal I'm just being annoying. <BR/><BR/>I would agree with your analysis thinking there is a second fugue - I had a hard time figuring out what the main theme / subject is - but that is something hopefully we can clarify in class. <BR/><BR/>I am not sure but is there any possibility that this could also be a triple fugue? The material later on around the m. 430 mark seemed to contain some of the original material - but not exact anyways - could be - maybe - who knows.Jonathan Schorrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01160901240867819267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729125461714417522.post-67793810675383093932007-10-28T22:14:00.000-07:002007-10-28T22:14:00.000-07:00Sarah,your analysis looks very thorough. i always ...Sarah,<BR/><BR/>your analysis looks very thorough. i always appreciate the detail you put into the analysis and it makes it easy to follow.<BR/><BR/>I personally have spent the past hour trying to figure out where the recordings i have found correlate in relation to the score i have without success. So, I am hoping that we can all talk about it tomorrow in class.<BR/><BR/>brendenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com