Friday, September 28, 2007

Group Hector "MISTER"

Exposition ending in a Gm64?

Retransition @ 133? KEY?

m141. Recap ent. Why obscured entry?

Texture on 91?


misterpianoman said...

I have been looking over and over... The Gm64. I cant say what it is exactly. But i think it have some kind of link with the Gm in the 1st transition in m 26. When i listen to the track it sounds like the Gm64 minor has an impotant part (sound) in the Development.

The retransition at 133. I think it feels the the first part of the development, just more compact... i dunno... tell me what you think. i'm still in the process of seeing why it's in the same key. give me some feed back... what do you guys think...?

I feel like starting right after the Retransition at 133, it feels almost like another transition into the recap. Cuz there are a few messures of filler then exactly what is in theme 1.

the texture in 91 almost makes it feel like another song. It brings a whole different meter feel to the song. Like its in differ time sig.


Randy Griggs said...

I would agree that the Gm6/4 is linkede to the Gm of the 1st transition but I am not sure how. Although after listening to it I would say the Gm6/4 reoccurs in the Development. What do you guys think?

The retransition at m. 133 moves chromatically giving us a solid feel for the new key. I am still trying to figure out why it sounds so much like the new key.

The texture in 91 is faster giving a feel of a different time signature and building up to something that I am not sure of. This occurs again in mm. 199 to 204.

Still looking at Recap not sure if I am finding what we are to be looking for yet. Need some input and help. Would like some feedback.

Ben said...

Hey team. Retransition is in Eminor as we confirmed Wednesday. It's linked to previous transitions. How? Still unsure. Texture at 91 is Beethoven trying to take our ears from 6/8 time to duple meter (hemiola). My thought on the obscured Recapitulation entrance is this: Beethoven wanted to outsmart the average musician listening for it to be obvious. The retransition is obvious, yes, and following a retransition is usually a recapitulation-exactly why I think Beethoven is trying to obscure it so that it doesn't fall right into place with the expectation and so that the analysts are left outsmarted.
Ok, waiting on MD.

Ben said...

GM6/4 - I have found other places where this chord pops up and this might help (mm. 39, mm. 41).

Michael deVries said...

Hey guys. I've been looking at the transition with all of the trills a lot. I'm seeing it along the same lines as Ben. I don;t know if this is a good enough answer but I really just think that he just was blending things together a little bit rather than just chop it up into distinct, predictable parts. I think he worked his was into Em in the end of the develop. and then used the trills to firmly establish the key of Em. The obscurity of the entrance of the recap I think is the same reason.
As far as the texture at 91, I definitely think he is messing with the feel of 6/8 with the tied notes hiding the down beat. Honestly with the Gm6/4 chord, nothing is really sticking out to me. I don't really see anything that looks similar but I may just be missing it.